New Thread
Go Back   Ministry Of Burlesque Community > Burlesque Forum List > Burlesque Chat
Register Forums MoB TV Galleries Jobs Q&A What's On Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Contact



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 06-26-2009, 11:20 AM
Beatrix Von Bourbon's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: London/Germany
Posts: 1,955
Default Burlesque History Research: non-comedy acts in burlesque shows...

I'm doing a bit of research about the history of burlesque and have come a little unstuck.

Researching Lili St. Cyr, it's clear that her acts often had a comedy thread throughout - from her "flying g-string" to making love with a parrot.

But then, researching Sally Rand, I've come a little unstuck in understanding how her acts came to be seen on/connected with burlesque stages.

This (somewhat unreliable) Geocities page suggests that Sally Rand made the move from chorus-girl to leading striptease artist in order to make more money during the difficult American Depression era.

"Sometime in her late 20's, the ever resourceful Sally, having dropped out of Columbia University, when the depression set in, got the idea that she could increase her fame (and not incidentally her bank account) by combining a talent for artistic dance with the always present demand on the part of hormone driven members of the male sex for a glimpse of feminine pulchritude."

Does anyone have a more reliable source for this statement?

It's clear that her acts caused some controversy for being "lewd", as did many of the old theatrical burlesques - could this be the cross-over?

Would Sally Rand's acts have been deemed comedic at the time they were performed, but the humour is lost on a modern audience?

Did Sally Rand ever describe herself as a burlesque performer?

By which means did Sally Rand come to be considered as "burlesque"?


In a similar vein, American artist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loie_Fuller crossed over from burlesque theatre into extravagant dance performances... Perhaps Vicky Butterfly will know; were her serpentine acts ever performed within the framework of a burlesque show, or were they always of a different performance world?


Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 06-26-2009, 12:24 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1
Default Sally Rand

The Columbia University business is misleading, makes it look as though Sally came out of NY, when she was from Missouri. Sally's story is simple--she made a bunch of movies, ran around Hollywood in the 20's, got stranded in Chicago, put together her act, crashed a pre-opening party at the World's Fair in '33 as Lady Godiva and became a star. There are a few interesting twists in there, but that's the jist. As Sally's nephew, I don't recall Sally ever identifying herself as Burlesque, but she certainly played the circuit, and I don't imagine she cared all that much how they typed her so long as folks knew her act was not, per se, a bump and grind show.
As for comedy, I don't think that her fan or bubble acts were comedic at all, although they had charm, and charm has humor built in. Her Nude Ranch activities couldn't be thought of as less than funny, though.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 06-26-2009, 01:15 PM
Beatrix Von Bourbon's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: London/Germany
Posts: 1,955
Default

Hi hcbeck,

Welcome to the fourms! Thank-you so much for your knowledgable and rare insight. When speaking publicly, I believe it's very important to know your subject area inside out - I spotted I had a bit of a hole in my knowledge, so threw it out there to find help with filling it in. This is really useful. x
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 06-26-2009, 03:41 PM
Wild Card Kitty's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 416
Send a message via Yahoo to Wild Card Kitty
Default

awesome chat- I even enjoyed the thread argument under the Loie Fuller video. The movement is fabulous- can't see where the costume ends and begins which is beautiful.
Great work in bringing this to peoples attention Beatrix and Sally Rand's NEPHEW replying. awesome!!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 06-26-2009, 03:48 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 135
Default

Oh my goodness! Sally Rand's balloon dance; possibly one of the most graceful, beautiful, elegant performances i have ever seen!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 06-26-2009, 07:28 PM
Vicky Butterfly's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 335
Default

Well, I'm not sure what you mean about within the framework of the shows?

Skirt dances and Serpentine dances are similar in many ways, and the Serpentines were not un-erotic for their time due to her experiments with lighting innovations... and I suppose it's a matter of opinion how 'burlesque' you consider the shows of the Parisian stage at that time...

But I think entertainment was just slightly different then: I think she was probably seen more as a speciality/variety act and a dance pioneer, there wasn't such a need to categorise performers I guess.

Isadora Duncan used to perform on the music hall stage too, but I'm not sure that makes her a music hall performer. The main outlets for modern/expressive dance back then seem to have been recitals and the popular stage. Recitals seem to have been geared towards the patronage system, so I'm guessing the crossover was fairly financial in motivation?


It always surprises me that there aren't more contemporary dancers working in variety today: patronage and recitals don't seem to be the lucrative fields they once were...

Sorry, rambling on!

Vicky Bxx
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 06-29-2009, 05:28 PM
Tiara The Merch Girl's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 454
Default

Was burlesque even recognised as a separate genre back then? Could it be a case of historical revisionism, putting labels on things that were a bit more fluid and freeform?

(My taste in acts tend to blur the lines between performance art and burlesque so this discussion is rather interesting!)
__________________
Tiara the Merch Girl - Entertaining your fans, making your stage life easier!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The copper dita wig is here...... Annabelles Wigs Burlesque Fashion And Make-Up 0 12-07-2009 05:03 PM
Boylesque Performer alcoholly728 Performer Jobs 2 11-12-2009 12:19 PM
Burlesque outside the Anglo-Saxon world Tiara The Merch Girl Burlesque Chat 3 04-23-2009 07:14 PM
I have to share this with you ,amazing reasonable corsets and outfits !! Starla James Burlesque Fashion And Make-Up 2 02-25-2009 09:07 PM
Free Photoshoot Oppourtunities! StarElendil Burlesque Chat 0 11-13-2008 07:48 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 02:23 PM.