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Old 11-26-2008, 03:13 PM
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Question What Kind Of Promoter Are You?

In my time in the scene, and listening to some of the experiences of my wife, Angel LaVey, when she has worked for different promoters, I have come to realise that many different promoters work in many different ways. I've staretd wondering if a friendly, frank and honest debate on the different ways promoters work could prove useful or informative for other forum members and each other.

So the question is, as it says on the proverbial tin, what kind of promoter are you?

I shall start with myself:

I am very much a hands on promoter up until showtime. I work with my wife on all the bookings - we have to agree who we'd like to offer a slot to and how much we can afford to offer them. Sometimes only having two of us to decide can be difficult as we don't always agree . I also work with Angel on the other aspects of the show. although sometimes I do go my seperate way and do things on my own steam, one example of that was getting SMELLYOURMUM.COM to be our sponsor. In fairness to Angel she does her own things also, although I am reliable informed she does check everything with me first, or else!

Even something as simple as the running order has to be agreed. We do our running orders in advance of the final day, this way seperate copies with all the relative information can be made available for or sound tech, stage hand, dressing room, compere, photographers and stage wing. A running order might sound simple for the uninitiated, but for our next show (29th November) Angel and I 'duscussed' for quite a while - we try to strike an even balance of running lengths per half, this show wasn't being easy.

On the day of the show I am again all hands on until the doors open - after that I'm forced to act as doorman. his means I now have to relinquish control to my wife, the stage manager and the compere. If something goes wrong front of stage it is upto those three to work it out. However if the issue is a sound one then I'm all of three paces from the sound tech, although again I'm only effective if the issue can be resolved between the sound tech and I. I have to work the door, I am handling the cash for the show and I doubt I'll ever find a person who I and he/she would be happy to leave with the entry fees for the walk up on the night audience.

Standing at the back of the venue is not a very exciting prospect for me. We've booked some bloody amazing talent who I've had the pleasure of hearing the music for. For my next show I can look forward to missing Wild Card Kitty, the Advocate of Deception and several others. I do try and grab a couple of beer crates to stand on, but if I see a short audience member struggling to see then I give them away - my audience being able to see is more important than my being able to see. I have used my time at the back, making sure only those who've paid get in, to examine the audience and look for flaws in our venues setup - because of this task I've been able to get more seating brought in for the next show; getting people through the door is one thing, keeping them is the next improtant task.

With the show over I can finally get to mingle and check the feedback of my audience - also a vital task for me. If a performer has really impressed larges protions of my audience I want to be told so, that way I can bring her/him back - and how can I learn what my audience wants if I don't ask them.

I much prefer the work I did at the SPiT LiKE THiS Album Launch Party earlier this month. As Angel and our regular stage manager where both performing it fell down to myself to make sure everyone was ready. At one point the show was running late due to acts taking longer than expected, the support band having difficulties getting ready and a backstage video interview with SPiT LiKE THiS taking a lot longer than originally planned. I had to hunt down the venue manager and find out if we could run late, I then had to negotiate with the band and our magician to cut the magic act short (he actually did his whole routine in half the time - phew). I was run off my feet all night setting up props, getting people into their costumes, communicating between all the sepearet parties and waving my hands frantically at one act to tell them to finnish, but I had a real blast and would do it all over again. Although I was stage right throughout most of the show I didn't really get to see much again, stage lights and peoples back really kill acts. The only routine I got to watch from the front was SPiT LiKE THiS, but even then I was sending them signals for how much time they had left on their set.

I've heard of promoters who let other people run the show or promoters that don't even go to their own shows - this is not for me, I will be somewhere with my finger on the pulse, doing something vitally important for the show. For me the payoff is knowing that I've run a show people have enjoyed and my efforts in the background have partly made that all possible.

Now I've said my piece (and a lot it was too) I shall leave this thread to others who wish to have their say.
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Old 11-26-2008, 06:01 PM
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I am an organiser and people manager - type promotor.
i deal with communicating between artists and stage crew.
i choose and book the performers / the venue / the theme

once a line up has been established it is then up to artists to liase with my stage manager about all technical requirements - lights/ music /staging.( Mr Red has been a stage manager for over 10 years, it's how we met !!)
it is his job to make sure that the venue has everything we need or bring it along.

i make sure everyone is comfortable back stage and give people their 10 min cues.

the door is usually covered by venue staff or a very good friend ...

i deal with all the cash after the event and pay performers and stage crew by Bank transfer .

i wouldn't dream of not being at an event that had my name on it !!!

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Old 11-27-2008, 06:21 PM
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I'm a ruthlessly organised promoter! Having been on the other side of things as a performer has stood me in good stead for promoting my own events, it taught me a lot about how not to promote! I do practically everything myself up to the night itself, and get as much done in advance as possible, like running orders and staging requirements. I do all the promotion and publicity work, via posters, internet, and the local media. On the night I compere, and DJ, and stage manage! A friend of a friend does the door, although I'm a bit nervous about this, but I can't be everywhere at once, much as I try!

I find if you get things organised, and do things in advance, it means the performers can all relax a bit more on the night.
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Old 11-29-2008, 02:54 AM
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Thank you Sarah and Twinkle for having the courage to type about what you do and how you do it. I like the fact that I'm sharing habbits with two people who've been in the performance scene far longer than myself.

Anymore promoters brave enough to post?

Perhaps I shouuld open up the thread - what type of promoter appeals to you performers the most?
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Old 11-29-2008, 06:11 PM
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The nights i run are very relaxed and informal, my nights focus more on the rockabilly scene than the burlesque side so i try to emphasise this.

I like to find people through forums and sites specialising in burlesque performers for my variety nights, or just get out my little black book! Luckily i know a few performers and models well known around these parts so i meet people through them also. I am a really friendly lass and always looking forward to meeting new people.

Because my night is run for charity i basically choose everything that happens on the night and it is then confirmed and paid for by the charity venue its run at, all profits o back into the charity and i get no wage. I like to run it as a friendly project rather than a business.

Bands wise, the good old myspace comes in handy there, and also various local rockin scene forums. A lot of what i do is online organisation wise.

I have a very kind friend who is a graphic designer and does my artwork and printing of flyers and posters for free, this is just an example of how people help out as its for charity. I then take a day off work to bomb around town putting up posters and posting posters to performers and friends in surroundong twns etc.

When it comes to the night i rush around as host/stage manager/general gofer and also dance a bit and have a laff.

If anyone is interested in helping with Rock-O-Rama in anyway please do get in touch, im super nice and eager to meet new people. It can be very difficult organising this night on my own so if anyone wants to help it would be much appreciated!

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I have done a very small amount of promoting, about three I think..................Basically it comes down to this with me. Do NOT allow me to promote an event, even one of my own, I am a total bastard, I get in every bodies way, I take over, move people around, complain like hell about everything even when it is going perfectly(?)

I become the "I am in charge so it gets done MY way or else" type of person. Book me to do a magic gig/act/routine etc and I am fine, give me a job to do within a venues acts on the night etc and I am fine, I am a great speaker, greeter, hand shaker, joker, small talker, photographer, Gopher and a fairly passable magician............But not if I am in "Charge"
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The best piece of advice I have ever been given when starting Candy Box was "DELEGATE!" It's really hard to give responsibility to others when you want the whole thing to be your baby, but find people you trust and tell what you want from them- if we didn't do this we couldn't run Candy Box as smoothly (!) as we do- we have an AMAZING team behind us.
Al & I make all the creative decisions-we choose the theme, performers, music and run of the night together, with Al's emphasis on the music and mine on the girls! We both also perform- Al as compere and myself as a member of our resident troupe, The Candied Heels. I choreograph and costume The Candied Heels and I also work with Imelda May- our INCREDIBLE singer (google her: )-on her costuming. I also pay everyone at the end of the night. Al works closely with the artistes on their choice of music and then with our Musical Director and pianist/hammond player Danny to get all the music arranged in time for the show. This is where our show is unique from any other currently running UK club(to my knowledge) as we don't use any CD backing music with our acts. All our music is arranged specifically for the act for performance at our night to be played by The Palookaville! Burlesque Orchestra. The band are sent CD versions of the music for the night in advance if possible but none of the 13 piece orchestra see the arrangements or rehearse together until the day as they are all professional working musicians from all over the uk and it's hard enough to get them together for the night of the show.
We liase closely with The Glee Club - they deal with ticket sales, advertising, lights, sound and security as well as hiring in special effects/staging /specialist lighting etc on our request. They know CB as well as we do now and their excellent staff and management know us and their venue perfectly in order to provide us with exactly what we're after. It helps that they love CB as much as we do!
We have a team which includes (but is not limited to) Stage management; card girls, Artiste Liason Officers (we are often picking us artistes from London if we have flown them in from the USA for example); programme designer; programme printer; on stage security; official photographers and filming; merchandise stall holder; usherette; room decorator and caterer. Many of these people are friends but ALL who are involved in the night (except my dear family who help out for love alone) get a fee including accommodation and expenses for performers.
Al and I have final say on everything so still maintain creative control. Unfortunately this means we spend every show panicking and running around and never get to sit down and just enjoy it...but we wouldn't have it any other way. Once again I'd like to say THANK YOU for all our AMAZING helpers and staff (and of course the EXTRAORDINARY band including Imelda and performers)as well as our lovely Candy Box Devotees who have faith in our decisions and support us-without all of them them The Candy Box could not be the sell-out success it is!
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"delegate" ... what's that word mean?



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"delegate" ... what's that word mean?



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It means getting the badgers to take responsibility for and do some work you could do if you had seventy arms and three heads.
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Old 12-01-2008, 12:16 PM
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Dear Miss Violet

Oh gosh -- the shame.
How did you find out that The Kroon Kat Lounge band really just mime along to CD backing music in `Milli Vanilli' stylie ??
Please don't tell on us.

Big Respect to you, Al & Candy Box
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