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Old 08-10-2007, 08:32 AM
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I had a great time at the show last night, I laughed so hard my face hurt bythe end of it. Everyone did a great job, and looked like they were having a blast too. Kitty looked as cute as a button in her sailoer outfit...I just wanted to take a bite out of her! And my friend almost peed her pants when Dashy took off his bowtie to reveal the sparkly dog collar. I hope there are more shows like this to come. Satire, glitter and bat shaped nipple pasties...again, again!

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Old 08-10-2007, 08:40 AM
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As other posts have said before, there were some fantastic parts of the show. The venue, costumes, wonderful songs (particularly the piccadilly prowler) and the effort to bring a distinct britishness to things were all clear to the audience. I can appreciate what's been said about Burlesque not just being about the "tits and tassles", and we all know that shows which just seem like a sequence of strips can be awful, but it seemed to me that the show could have really done with striking a better balance between the two. The focus seemed to be so much skewed towards comedic slapstic that some of the inate sexiness and titallation which is widely associated with Burlesque seemed lost amongst some uncomfortable silent moments of tussles on stage, actors moving sets etc. Sequences like the "solitary vices" left my partner and I a little confused and disatisfied as a single visual gag seemed extended to fit the length of an entire song.

The clear amount of effort and skill that had gone in to choreography, wardrobe and music lyrics was marred by the portions of acting in between dance which seemed a little too amateur-dramatic to sit comfortably with the setting, and a sense that none of the performers felt comfortable enough to strip down to much less than some large bloomers. Good burlesque doesn't need to be graphic in its nudity, or even nude, but here it felt like things were held back too much. The exception of the performer in the vampire sequence was welcome, but her derobement felt rushed and uncomfortable, and though she was very beautiful, it felt almost as if we were being flashed rather than teased such as was the manner of exposure.

Having said all this, Victorian Values was my fiancee's first burlesque show and she left very amused, and we both loved the Production design and the fantasticically appropriate Hoxton Hall interiors. Lord Dashwood's strip to the hookah was also fantastic, and contained just the right amount of humour and sexiness!

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Old 08-10-2007, 10:01 AM
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Well, I think that the balance of striptease to plot was just right - any more and the strips would have appeared to be shoehorned in. I think that as it was, the striptease parts dovetailed with the plot well.

As others have said, burlesque isn't just about the striptease, and it would have been inappropriate for people to have stripped down to G-strings in a Victorian production - of course they were wearing bloomers; that's what Victorians wore!

I only got to see the second half of the show in costume, because I was backstage for the first half, but I felt it was cheeky, cute and well thought out. I did get to see the first half several times in rehersal though, and I have to say that watching Kittie *mime* a striptease was sexy and impressive, so I can't understand how actually seeing it in "real life" could be considered less than acceptable......

I also thought it was a clever ploy to put us stagehands in costume too - everyone can see stagehands, even when they are dressed entirely in black, and everyone know that the set sometimes needs to be changed, so why not make a feature of it - great idea.

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Old 08-10-2007, 10:05 AM
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I'd also like to thank the park bench and the rocking chair that I constructed which, thankfully, managed to stay together for the entire duration of the show!
I really don't think that rocking chair deserves thanks - it needed to be wrestled into submission!

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Old 08-10-2007, 10:33 AM
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Thank you everyone for your feedback, and thank you particularly Athiel for pointing out the bits that you felt disapointed with. As we have said, this is definately a work in progress and one of the aims of this initial run was to see what would work and what wouldn't. For that reason we welcome any constructive criticism and feedback.

In terms of getting the balance right, it is definately a tricky one. As will be clear from all thta's already been said, we were trying to show something of 'the other side of burlesque' the traditional British theatrical side that really wasn't so much about teasing or sexiness but was generally more bawdy and satirical. In order to do this, we quite deliberately veered away from the more sexy style strip tease that many people are more familiar with. This is not to say that we have anything at all against that form of burlesque, but just that it has been very well represented in other MoB events and elsewhere. At the same time we didn't want to completely ignore that side of it, and so we tried to include a bit of sexiness and stripping too. In terms of the bloomers, I'm sorry if it came across that no-one was confident enough to strip down to more- that certainly wasn't the case, but it was a concious decision about the whole look of the show. We decided very early on that costume would be a key element in getting the feel right and stockings and suspenders would not have looked in keeping with the rest of the costumes. However, I do agree that big bloomers aren't necessarily the sexiest garmets in the world, and that is something we can certainly consider in the next developments of the show.

In terms of the transition betwenn scenes etc, I think this will be greatly improved when we have a bigger cast. Not knowing how the whole thing was going to work out, we kept the cast quite small. This meant quick changes and a certain hurridness in getting all the scenes ready. With a bigger cast and longer time for the show (we had very strict time restrictions from the venue) this should be aleviated somewhat. With regard to the acting between scenes - duly noted, we shall work on it!

Again, thank you all for your support and feedback - please keep it coming and let us know what you felt worked and what didn't, so that the next incarnation of Victorian Values will be even bigger and better!
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Old 08-10-2007, 10:56 AM
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Im biased- Ive always favoured the bawdy and satirical over the sexiness. I dont think it came across that you felt uncomfortable to strip further as we all know you do in other performances. I thought stripping down to bloomers added more humour as everyone is so used to expecting to see stockings and suspenders in modern burlesque, it seemed to me cheekier that you weren't going to let us see more.
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Old 08-10-2007, 03:25 PM
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Thanks everyone for your feedback and critique - much appreciated.

I think the criticism of a lack of strip-tease (presumably, as people are used to seeing in burlesque clubs) is a good thing. Thanks to Athiel for bringing this up.

I feel this, because we intended to highlight that this show was not part of the American burlesque striptease form. We are endeavoring to provide example that there are two very different forms of burlesque - traditional burlesque and burlesque striptease. They are a century and an a ocean apart in both style and purpose.

One has enjoyed a revival for several years now (the burlesque striptease) but the other, much older form has so far been ignored in favour of the Las Vegas glitz and Hollywood glam. I have an article here on the history of the traditions.

Victorian Values has been written in tribute to the older form.

There was in actual fact, more striptease in the show than their 'technically' should have been as the original burlesques had nothing to do with striptease but instead relied on innuendo and bawdy physical gags at most.

With the striptease elements in VV, we were extending the bawdy content to go with a 21st century audience. As testimony to this, one could note that none of the sketches which involved strip tease were actually focussed on the striptease itself. The characters were not trying to 'be sexy' - they each undressed for whatever reason their scene demanded making the strip contextually relevant to the scene.

If they happen to be sexy in doing so, then it's because they are sexy people.:YES:

Also, in having the sketches with nipple pasties, we were 'doffing' our caps to the modern scene and as Athiel has pointed out, FiFi La Bomb's vampyric strip down was indeed the most 'risque' in terms of the amount of flesh on show. However to others, and those enthusing of the original burlesque tradition, the amount of flesh on show is not necessarily what makes something risque ('Britannia and the Brigadier' were probably the most risque to many in terms of satirical suggestion).

Again, even with the Vampire strip off, FiFi was making a parody of striptease itself within a Gothic Horror sketch (her pasties were little Batman symbols and the court of Queen Victoria looked on in shock as she revealed them).

The British tradition is based on satire. The form we are celebrating here with VV is one in which 'a burlesque' is written as a full length theatre play with a historical narrative, plot, accurate costuming, satire, send up and spoof.

In Victorian Values, any time a character did strip off, it was done within the specific context of the set up (i.e. - Britannia strips off as she is an opium induced fantasy of an old Brigadier high on puff; Dashwood strips off because he 'gets off' on the shisha pipe's curves; in the Picadilly Prowler sketch, the lady strips off because she is desperately trying to attract the gentleman (not realising that he is inclined to ward his own sex), Queen Victoria strips off in despair as she goes through the stages of mourning and reveals her 'pret a morte' mourning wear already on underneath and the Vampire victim strips off as she is 'turned' in to a lusty vampire - in tribute to sexually predatory undertones of Gothic Horror.) These strips are not about revealing flesh, they are really about transformation of character.

It's good that the show in some ways didn't sit with your expectations Athiel, at least not to 100% as I think it shows that we have managed to get the balance right.

The two burlesque forms are totally different and people will naturally be more inclined to favour one over the other. We aimed to make a real distinction between the two forms not blur the edges and by splitting affections, it seems we achieved exactly that.

Some may love striptease but not have the inclination for satire, others will love satire and find striptease boring or self indulgent, others will love it all - that's all fine and dandy. Each to their own...

For us at MoB, It is our mission to have burlesque accessible to everyone and for our own British burlesque roots to be celebrated as much as the US form is. To do this we needed to provide distinctions and choice.

VV was a real first for the burlesque community and so we were expecting there to be some level of confusion and debate about why it is (or should be) different from other shows under the burlesque name.

It is just a case of us getting the word out that there is more to the history of burlesque than striptease and PR.

More and more of the the burly enthusiasts are coming to appreciate the wider spectrum of the genre and celebrate the different aspects of it's form - for many people, humour is an immensely exciting tease. Think 'Carry On'.

Hopefully people in general will be delighted to have a choice of burlesque style.

As for being appreciative of any show, it's all a matter of knowing which genre we are going to see when choosing a show. It is up to burlesque goers, performers and producers alike to make informed choices for their entertainment based on researched and nformed productions and marketing.

Many thanks to you all for coming and as Dashy has said, we will consider everyone's input when we next meet - we were indeed 'testing the water' as it were....

All comments are very much appreciated.
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I have had one of the most fun weeks ever! Very busy and late nights but so much fun i'm sad its over!

Thanks Kittie and James for letting me be part of it! Kittie has been on about VV since i meet her over a year ago! Its great to finally see it in progress and to be part of it I feel very lucky! Des your songs are great! Dashy I loved the drawing on the flyers it was fab. Red Sarah your costume was amasing!


Thanks to all the cast back-stage was great fun and probably the best backstage experience yet!

Heres to VV... what a grest show!

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Hear hear Miss Blush!!! I too had such a fab time and felt very honoured to be part of such an amazing cast.

Thanks so much to everyone who came to the show and for everyone who has given us feedback - it is highly valued and appreciated.

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Have to say, I've always been very opposed to the idea of performing and thinking 'it's not me'...

but damn it, it was so much fun I wanna do it again!

Thanks to everyone for making it such a laugh...there was such a great atmosphere on and off stage it was a real priviledge to work with all of you.

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