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Old 06-02-2007, 08:08 PM
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oh sorry i thought you meant it was someone in the audience that complained not someone funding it.
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Old 06-02-2007, 09:03 PM
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oh sorry i thought you meant it was someone in the audience that complained not someone funding it.
I think your point was wonderful- if only everyone had their head screwed on like you seem to! The world would be a nicer place!
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Experiences like this make my heart sink. I suppose at the bottom of it all, there must have been a breakdown in communication between the booker and the gentleman funding the night. Perhaps the booker didn't provide the funder with the full details of what they had arranged? Perhaps the funder left all the promotion in the hands of the booker, but neglected to provide the booker with a specific description of what he did/did not want (specifically in terms of the image he wanted to put across).

I sympathise fully with you feeling let down - it sounds like the situation occurred as a result of something that was out of your hands from the outset. The communication between the booker and the funder of an event is not your responsibility.

In circumstances like this, I would guess that whether the booker saw your showreel or not would make no difference. There was no way you could have shown your showreel to the gentleman funding the event, this is something the booker should have done if they had any inclination to think that burlesque may be a controversial choice of entertainment for the event.
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I suspect the issue is that when people put on fashion shows, even those displaying transparent underware the idea is that people will look at the clothes and maybe clap a little, one does not expect the crowd to cheer and holla - its a bit of an emperiors clothes thing. You are doing a routine that celebrates your lack of clothes, in an enviroment where people are expected to pretend not to notice or be tittilated by lack of clothing. If you encourage them to see you are not wearing many clothes the crowd will realise that no one is and the jig is up as it where. It was silly of them to book a burlesque act, and the problem will have occured whoever the act was.
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Good point, well made!
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From the footage in the video it looks like the performer was combining traditional raqs sharqi moves with cheesecake .....

I've met a lot of Arab raqs sharqi performers over the years and, as you must be aware, any diversion from 'modest' dress and traditional dance moves are viewed with outrage by the more traditional performers.

Western people often don't realise just how seriously Arab people, and especially Arab performers, take their raqs sharqi. They feel that they are fighting an ongoing battle against the sexualisation and exoticisation...

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The fact that the cabaret style of Oriental dance has been sexualised and corrupted via a western influence is a source of constant outrage and hurt to professional oriental dancers who, given the chance, will lecture anyone who will listen on how and why their dance is nothing like stripping or burlesque.
Hi Opheilia, I think your views are really interesting and well considered.

Autumn - I feel for you. It happens to all of us.

This discussion is especially interesting to me as I can appreciate the importance of the mix of emotions, issues and thoughts that are being considered here - cultural heritage, feelings of exclusivity, containment, personal rights of expression, validation, chastisement and comparison.

It is important because it sums up working in showbusiness.

I think it's likely that the complaint had little to do with the actual routine and more to do with a general, personal viewpoint.

Perhaps the fashion show was simply the wrong event for any kind of burlesque strip tease ideas.

It's unlikely to be about the amount of skin showing, as seen on the catwalk but instead, it's about what is being suggested.

The audience members in question (funders of fashion show but audience just the same, presumably) were perhaps uncomfortable having their chosen event (fashion show) paired with something seen to be more deliberately sexually provocative - which given the option, they would not have chosen to support in either ideology or physical presence.

With this in mind and Autumn's experience, perhaps it was not such a case of 'prudes not appreciating art' but more that someone was complaining that they voluntarily went to see/support one thing - and were made by association, to support something else entirely. Something which they would ordinarily avoid or take issue with.

It happens to all of us. I think any seasoned performer could regale us all with tales of being booked for wrong events and many promoters can describe the plethora of unsuitable acts showing up at events without any real understanding of what the event is about!

Anyway, moving on!

With the Raqs Sharqi discussion in mind, I don't think it is remotely surprising that something as old as Raqs Sharqi is held rather precious to the bosom of those upholding the tradition and rightly so. However that is not to say that Raqs Sharqi and burlesque alike, are not open to interpretation and reinterpretation.

It's not so different from the debate surrounding the often overly generalized, sexual image of burlesque and it's specific links to /or association with, the strip tease.

Many burlesque performers today are passionate about burlesque's early roots to the point where they are uncomfortable about being referred to as a strip tease act. Others don't identify any difference.

Burlesque as a genre has been built on one specific cultural tradition of high brow send up and has been reinterpreted again and again through different nations and cultural differences. Burlesque as we often see it today, generally speaking, could easily make a 'traditionalist' weep.

I reckon that performing is fair game for everyone, regardless of heritage. I personally believe that everything is open to personal interpretation and once fairly researched, fair game for satire.

As entertainers I do feel we ought to respect the feelings of others who do specific forms based on cultural learnings and their crafts implications and meanings - most insults in life are made by accident and grounded in nothing more than uninformed statements/actions paired with bad timing.

Regardless of intention, a lack of information or consideration in any statement is indeed risky (rather than risque) business.

If we care about personal expression and are serious about our own cultural heritage, adopted cultures, passions, interests and ideals then surely we are obliged to research our chosen subjects before offering them for public consumption.

Risking the exploitation of an idea in place of celebration and appreciation is all to easy.
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Kittie! you are indeed the fountain of knowledge and a very wise lady!!!
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Hi Opheilia, I think your views are really interesting and well considered.

Autumn - I feel for you. It happens to all of us.
Cheers hunny, it was unfortunate, but thems the breaks!

If nothing else, it has led to interesting discussion- what you said about the discrepancies between the fashion show and what was expected is probably right (although the same night had burly acts in March, it was just this one funder that objected this time out of the blue, so there really was no predicting what happened).

In this particular case the bellydance issue was not applicable to what happened that night (though still a point to consider in other scenarios), but after seven years of immersing myself in Raqs Sharqi, the dance, the history, (my teacher did her Phd in Egyptian dance history and did lessons in this as well as dance, so I have years worth of study of the background raring to be put into such a debate ;-); this topic remains fresh, with as many differing view points as there are dancers! Deserving of a whole separate thread *hint hint, anyone?* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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