i wear less on the beach !!

RedSarah · #1 (**permalink**) 03-20-2007, 04:22 PM

hey friends,

i thought i'd start yet another thread ..

i am not a stripper...

i think the main gripe i have about the whole argument is that i have never wanted to be a stripper and being labeled one is upsetting me.

it upsets me because it would upset my nan !!!

i am a burlesque and circus performer with theatrical adult acts.

yes i might take off some items of clothing to reveal the story within

but i wear less on the beach than i ever have at a burlesque show.

i am not a striptease artist or a stripper
nothing wrong with it - as long as its not advertised as burlesque !!!

cummon let it all out !!!!

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Vicky Butterfly · #2 (**permalink**) 03-20-2007, 04:48 PM

I'll randomly choose a place to start!

I think it's totally impossible to completely control how an audience sees you. Ok, so even walking down the street someone could be thinking smutty thoughts about you, but with Burlesque striptease you have a greater control over your environment which can be used to greater control how people will view your performance, which is the imprtant part for me:. A stripper needs to present members of the audience with a principally sexual routine in order to gain the maximum payment. With Burlesque, it is the performance rather than the payment which is the issue whilst on stage. It should be a shared experience for members of the audience: it's not about hustling!

I think most of my shows work as well clothed as they do withthe removal of some of them (which needn't necessarily happen, although I may use it as a personal choice as a means of expression). There are shows I would be happy for my mother to see!

For me, it's about creating a story or a mood, rather than fuelling people's sexual fantasies...

Vicky xxx

Millie Dollar · #3 (**permalink**) 03-20-2007, 04:57 PM

i never walk offstage or touch audience members during an act, i prefer to stay seperate from the audience, except on my balloon dance where i give away helium balloons.
i had to explain alot about what i do to my family and friends, but they're all very supportive, my mum even said she wants to see my next show, but now so does my nan! this is great because they're all devout christians and altough don't 100% agree with it, they are supporting me.
they would not do this if i was just your average stripper, yes i may show alot of skin, and strip down to pasties and a g-string but it's still different in the way that i'm using it, taking things off, and the style it is.

Warren · #4 (**permalink**) 03-20-2007, 05:37 PM

Would your Nan be upset if you were nekkid on the beach Red? And men/women were looking at you salaciously? Just bein devils advocate ;-)

In my opinion (and as we well know from other threads, everyone has their own opinion on what burlesque is), burlesque is about telling a humourous or moving story, which just so happens to involve the shedding of clothes too. Usually done in a theatrical way.

Stripping, in my view, is an erotic removal of clothes to heighten anticiaption before the performer gets to the naked reveal for the pleasure of the punter.

I think most people would agree that burlesque is usually regarded as much more high-brow than stripping.

RedSarah · #5 (**permalink**) 03-20-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren

Would your Nan be upset if you were nekkid on the beach Red? And men/women were looking at you salaciously? Just bein devils advocate ;-)

I think most people would agree that burlesque is usually regarded as much more high-brow than stripping.

hey
thats my point i'm not even neked on the beach !!!

i disagree - i think most people here know that !!
but out in the wider world it is still the minority.

that is why burlesque features in bizarre and scarlet and skin two but not Woman !!

i am just shouting it out there !

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Gehenna · #6 (**permalink**) 03-20-2007, 06:15 PM

I think one good friend of mine described burlesque as 'less strip but more tease'.

I think a lot of Strip Clubs and Lap Dancing clubs are trying to appear more acceptable, and probably to cash in on the re-emergance of burlesque as a form of entertainment. But the sad fact is that Burlesque and Srip/Lap Dancing clubs are seas apart.

Parma_Violet · #7 (**permalink**) 03-20-2007, 06:21 PM

I'd also like to add that IMO the big difference is between 'striptease' and 'stripping'. Stripping (which to me is in the same category as table/lap dancing)came from striptease because laws about how much you could show were lifted. I think striptease is a form of Burlesque, which is an umbrella term covering varied forms of comedic and adult theatre. Stripping isn't. Burlesque striptease to me is about the journey and that you know it's NOT about sex(other than in a nod and a wink way). It should have a sense of humour (even if not a direct comedy routine). I personally am very disappointed when I see nipples(or more!) in a striptease routine. I imagine most fans of strippers would be disappointed NOT to see them.

Elektra Lush · #8 (**permalink**) 03-20-2007, 06:44 PM

Im not sure I agree with the 'most people dont look at burlesque as striptease' arguement. Ask joe bloggs on the street what Burlesque is and theyll use the words strip or striptease. To be honest, and ive said this before, I think alot of the so called 'parody' in the more 'authentic' Burlesque shows goes completely over the heads of most show goers. I think theres a vast difference between what you do Red and what the likes of myself does - you are obviously more circus orientated whereas im happy as larry to consider myself a striptease with Burlesque leanings.

I completely and utterly support the notion of traditional Burlesque but I feel somewhat alientated at times with so much talk of authentic by the book Burlesque. Maybe im just not a fan of living by the rules and checking in the dictionary anytime I use a phrase like Burlesque - but after all, isnt this all about entertainment? None of us are historians - we're entertainers!

I just worry that Burlesque in the UK is becoming a little too serious and high brow for my own tastes. What REALLY worries me is that striptease is almost a dirty word around here now. We all do it - most Burlesque performers routines feature striptease...it almost looks to me like the 'authentic burlesque' arguement is perhaps a way of masking the striptease element?

I guess I can round up this rant with simply 'each to their own'. We're all different in our own right...why worry about the definitions? 'Together We Can Can' is less viable in a community that is showing early signs of forming cliques

- E

(excuse the essay...way too much caffiene this afternoon!)

Warren · #9 (**permalink**) 03-20-2007, 06:53 PM

If I can be pedantic for a second Red - how can you wear LESS on the beach when you're often onstage in nothing but tassles and short pants?

RedSarah · #10 (**permalink**) 03-20-2007, 08:02 PM

hey
i agree there is definately an element of striptease to my acts...
i just don't like being labled a stripper !!
as vicky says i am entertaining people not arousing them !!!

warren,
i actually wear quite a lot on stage !!
minimum - g string + tights + stockings + frilly pants + girdle + pasties + wig + jewelry + shoes !!!

on the beach i wear a bikini !! tee hee

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